Performance CornerProject; Upgrade a 2002 XL 1200 Custom
Performance Responses from the local shopsAfter sending out the request for upgrading the performance of a
2000 HD Roadglide to all of the Harley Davidson Dealers and most of the
Custom Bike Shops in the Phoenix area, some have responded.Below is their recommendations for the request.
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They responded to the request and
want to help you with your upgrades
I am looking for a bike to upgrade next month (April)
If you want to have your bike submitted to the local Harley Davidson Dealers
and Custom Bike Shops, please send an e-mail to me at kirk@phoenixbikers.comHere are the Shops that responded
Riverside Choppers
Custom Performance
Buddy Stubbs Arizona Harley-Davidson, Inc.
Riverside Choppers
3515 W Union Hills Suite 120
Glendale, AZ 85308
602 547-8288 Phone
602 547-8858 Fax
Dack,
I see you have upgraded to the screamin eagle air box, and slip ons, that's a good start! I would recommend the andrews N-4 cams they respond to a variation of 2500-6500 rpms. A good stock carb upgrade is the thunder slide kit - replaces the stock metal slide with a lighter plastic slide, jet kit and spray nozzle. This allows for faster response. As for as the ignition goes, I would suggest the compu-fire single fire. It comes
w/ignition, plug wires, and coil.Budget of $1,200.00
Parts- $816.85 plus tax
Labor- $300.00
Total- $1,183.01
This will keep you within your budget
and give you a lot more of what you want.
Jon Poppe
Custom Performance MAP
21601 N. 3rd Avenue
Phoenix, AZ 85027
623.879.8488 Phone
RE: 2002 XL 1200 Custom - Modifications: Stg. One Kit w/ slip on mufflers. Dear Kirk,
After considering all possible performance upgrade combinations, I came up with the following to get the best value for the money ($1200.00 cap):
First change the cams out. A set of mild bolt in cams would work fine with the stock heads - spec's being .500" lift with about 255-260 duration at 053", it would give good midrange and pull to 6200 rpm. I would change the exhaust to a 2:1 Thunderheader; it will make the cam come alive in the midrange. Carb and intake will work fine, as well as the stock ignition at this stage. I will do a before and after Dyno so you can see the results. I will re-jet carb and set ignition timing according to the motor's needs. This would give around a 10 horsepower upgrade.Custom Performance
623-879-8488
Parts and Labor for Project: 2002 XL 1200 Custom
Rocker Box Gasket Kit Camshaft Kit T-Header Exhaust Subtotal Parts Labor Dyno Tune Subtotal Labor Sales Tax Project Total Sincerely,
Nick Trask
Buddy Stubbs Arizona Harley-Davidson, Inc.
13401 N Cave Creek Road #2 on map
Phoenix, AZ 85022
602 971-3400 Phone
PROJECT UPGRADE #1
LETS TAKE A LOOK AT DACK'S BIKE. HIS SETUP IS NOT
THAT UNCOMMON. A FEW LOCAL PERFORMANCE SHOPS SHOULD BE
ABLE TO SHOW A COPY OF DYNO RUNS MADE WITH SIMILAR
VEHICLES. IF NOT, DACK MAY WANT TO RUN HIS BIKE TO GET
A BASE LINE OF HIS VEHICLES PERFORMANCE. THEN HE COULD
COMPARE HIS BIKE WITH SOME THAT ARE MODIFIED WITH HIS
POTENTIAL UPGRADE.
WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT???
GIVEN A XLH1200, WITH PIPES, REJET AND A HIGH FLOW
AIR CLEANER, YOU ALREADY HAVE A GOOD POWER TO WEIGHT
RATIO. THE BIKE PROBABLY MAKES ABOUT 70 HP AND ABOUT
THE SAME TORQUE. REMEMBER, THIS IS MY BEST GUESS. I
SUGGESTED A DYNO RUN TO CURB THE "CONFLICTING INFO".
TO ADD BOLT-IN CAMS, WOULD INCREASE HP BY 5 TO 8, AND
MAYBE THE SAME FOR TORQUE. THE QUESTION IS, AT WHAT
RPM WILL THESE NUMBERS OCCUR? WITH THE WAY THE BIKE IS
SETUP NOW, THE PEAK TORQUE HAPPENS LOW IN THE POWER
BAND. THE ADDITION OF CAMS MAY RAISE THE RPM AT WHICH
PEAK TORQUE OCCURS. THIS WILL TRANSLATE IN REVING THE
MOTOR HIGHER TO ACHIEVE POWER.
WILL THE INCREASE IN POWER BE WORTH THE TRADE OFF OF
A SLIGHT LOSS OF STREETABILITY?
WOULD THE END RESULT BE "SIGNIFICANT" ENOUGH TO
JUSTIFY THE POSSIBLE 1200 DOLLARS SPENT?
CAN DACK FIND SOMEONE WITH THE UPGRADE ALREADY
INSTALLED ON THEIR BIKE SO HE COULD TAKE A TEST RIDE?
I RECOMMEND DACK DO SOME MORE RESEARCH BEFORE
SPENDING.AZHD CAN INSTALL XLH BOLT-IN CAMS FOR 325.00 DOLLARS
LABOR PLUS PARTS. WILL IT RUN GOOD?? SURE, BUT WILL IT
BE WHAT DACK IS LOOKING FOR? HARD TO SAY.
ANY QUESTIONS CALL JD OR JASON
AZHD 602-971-3400=====
Arizona Harley-Davidson
13401 N Cave Creek Road
Phoenix, AZ 85022
602-971-3400
www.azh-d.com
Arizona Harley-Davidson
13401 N Cave Creek Road
Phoenix, AZ 85022
602-971-3400
www.azh-d.com
Following is what was presented to the
Dealers and shops here in the valley
Project #1 2002 Sportster custom
This objective, should you accept, is to provide your recommendations of how to best upgrade this bike.
This is a great way to get your name in front of a large audience. Currently I get about 6,000 to 10,000 hits per day. I know that this project will create interest, as a lot of the people that I talk to would like to increase their power. Now you have a forum to provide your technical knowledge.
Please, I need this information back by Feb 28th. This will then give me time to post the information on my website at phoenixbikers.com.
Project Bike for Upgrade
Bike Harley Davidson Year 2002 Model Sportster Custom Mileage 1,000 Miles Modification The bike is stock with the exception of Screaming Eagle high flow air cleaner and Scraming Eagle slip-on mufflers and the carb is re-jetted Owner Dack
Objective; How to best upgrade stage II with $1,200.00
I currently have a 2002 XL 1200 Custom with about 800 miles. I have added the Screaming Eagle High Flow Air Cleaner and the Screaming Eagle slip-on mufflers and had the carb jetted. Most of my riding will be local and occasionally two-up. I was thinking of installing either Andrews N4 or Screaming Eagle bolt in cams, change the ignition and coil. I spoke with a few shops and get conflicting information on if this will make a significant increase. I have set aside about $1,200.00 for the project
Should you respond to the request, please do so in writing. Please include a list of the parts, kits, procedures and approximate hours associated with the upgrade. Also include why you think this is the best solution for this upgrade. If possible, your best guess as to the actual increase.
I will send this request to all of the Harley Davidson Dealers in the valley and all of the Custom Bike shops listed on Custom Bikes page at phoenixbiker.com
After I get all of the responses, I will publish them on the web at phoenixbikers.com. I assure you that no one will know who responded or what the response was until it is published.
Thanks,
Kirk Johnson
Phone 602 363-5386
E-mail kirk@phoenixbikers.com
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